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 Pax Americana ~ PNAC The Project for a New American Century
This is information that I feel is vital and could one day be removed from the net. I've been collecting articles and encourage you to do the same. Christy

http://www.peace.ca/paxamericana.htm

The Project for a New American Century, or PNAC, is a group founded in 1997 that has been agitating since its inception for a war with Iraq. PNAC was the driving force behind the drafting and passage of the Iraqi Liberation Act, a bill that painted a veneer of legality over the ultimate designs behind such a conflict. The names of every prominent PNAC member were on a letter delivered to President Clinton in 1998 which castigated him for not implementing the Act by driving troops into Baghdad.

PNAC has funneled millions of taxpayer dollars to a Hussein opposition group called the Iraqi National Congress, and to Iraq's heir-apparent, Ahmed Chalabi, despite the fact that Chalabi was sentenced in absentia by a Jordanian court to 22 years in prison on 31 counts of bank fraud. Chalabi and the INC have, over the years, gathered support for their cause by promising oil contracts to anyone that would help to put them in power in Iraq.

Most recently, PNAC created a new group called The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. Staffed entirely by PNAC members, The Committee has set out to "educate" Americans via cable news connections about the need for war in Iraq. This group met recently with National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice regarding the ways and means of this education.

Who is PNAC? Its members include:

* Vice President Dick Cheney, one of the PNAC founders, who served as Secretary of Defense for Bush Sr.;

* I. Lewis Libby, Cheney's top national security assistant;

* Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, also a founding member, along with four of his chief aides including;

* Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, arguably the ideological father of the group;

* Eliot Abrams, prominent member of Bush's National Security Council, who was pardoned by Bush Sr. in the Iran/Contra scandal;

* John Bolton, who serves as Undersecretary for Arms Control and International Security in the Bush administration;

* Richard Perle, former Reagan administration official and present chairman of the powerful Defense Policy Board;

* Randy Scheunemann, President of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, who was Trent Lott's national security aide and who served as an advisor to Rumsfeld on Iraq in 2001;

* Bruce Jackson, Chairman of PNAC, a position he took after serving for years as vice president of weapons manufacturer Lockheed-Martin, and who also headed the Republican Party Platform subcommittee for National Security and Foreign Policy during the 2000 campaign. His section of the 2000 GOP Platform explicitly called for the removal of Saddam Hussein;

* William Kristol, noted conservative writer for the Weekly Standard, a magazine owned along with the Fox News Network by conservative media mogul Ruppert Murdoch.

The Project for the New American Century seeks to establish what they call 'Pax Americana' across the globe. Essentially, their goal is to transform America, the sole remaining superpower, into a planetary empire by force of arms. A report released by PNAC in September of 2000 entitled 'Rebuilding America's Defenses' codifies this plan, which requires a massive increase in defense spending and the fighting of several major theater wars in order to establish American dominance. The first has been achieved in Bush's new budget plan, which calls for the exact dollar amount to be spent on defense that was requested by PNAC in 2000. Arrangements are underway for the fighting of the wars.

The men from PNAC are in a perfect position to see their foreign policy schemes, hatched in 1997, brought into reality. They control the White House, the Pentagon and Defense Department, by way of this the armed forces and intelligence communities, and have at their feet a Republican-dominated Congress that will rubber-stamp virtually everything on their wish list.

The first step towards the establishment of this Pax Americana is, and has always been, the removal of Saddam Hussein and the establishment of an American protectorate in Iraq. The purpose of this is threefold: 1) To acquire control of the oilheads so as to fund the entire enterprise; 2) To fire a warning shot across the bows of every leader in the Middle East; 3) To establish in Iraq a military staging area for the eventual invasion and overthrow of several Middle Eastern regimes, including some that are allies of the United States.

Another PNAC signatory, author Norman Podhoretz, quantified this aspect of the grand plan in the September 2002 issue of his journal, 'Commentary'. In it, Podhoretz notes that the regimes, "that richly deserve to be overthrown and replaced, are not confined to the three singled-out members of the axis of evil. At a minimum, the axis should extend to Syria and Lebanon and Libya, as well as 'friends' of America like the Saudi royal family and Egypt's Hosni Mubarak, along with the Palestinian Authority, whether headed by Arafat or one of his henchmen." At bottom, for Podhoretz, this action is about "the long-overdue internal reform and modernization of Islam."

This casts Bush's speech to AEI on Wednesday in a completely different light.

Weapons of mass destruction are a smokescreen. Paeans to the idea of Iraqi liberation and democratization are cynical in their inception. At the end of the day, this is not even about oil. The drive behind this war is ideological in nature, a crusade to 'reform' the religion of Islam as it exists in both government and society within the Middle East. Once this is accomplished, the road to empire will be open, ten lanes wide and steppin' out over the line.

At the end of the day, however, ideology is only good for bull sessions in the board room and the bar. Something has to grease the skids, to make the whole thing worthwhile to those involved, and entice those outside the loop to get into the game.

Thus, the payout.

It is well known by now that Dick Cheney, before becoming Vice President, served as chairman and chief executive of the Dallas-based petroleum corporation Halliburton. During his tenure, according to oil industry executives and United Nations records, Halliburton did a brisk $73 million in business with Saddam Hussein's Iraq. While working face-to-face with Hussein, Cheney and Halliburton were also moving into position to capitalize upon Hussein's removal from power. In October of 1995, the same month Cheney was made CEO of Halliburton, that company announced a deal that would put it first in line should war break out in Iraq. Their job: To take control of burning oil wells, put out the fires, and prepare them for service.

Another corporation that stands to do well by a war in Iraq is Brown & Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton. Ostensibly, Brown & Root is in the construction business, and thus has won a share of the $900 million government contract for the rebuilding of post-war Iraqi bridges, roads and other basic infrastructure. This is but the tip of the financial iceberg, as the oil wells will also have to be repaired after parent-company Halliburton puts out the fires.

More ominously is Brown & Root's stock in trade: the building of permanent American military bases. There are twelve permanent U.S. bases in Kosovo today, all built and maintained by Brown & Root for a multi-billion dollar profit. If anyone should wonder why the administration has not offered an exit strategy to the Iraq war plans, the presence of Brown & Root should answer them succinctly. We do not plan on exiting. In all likelihood, Brown & Root is in Iraq to build permanent bases there, from which attacks upon other Middle Eastern nations can be staged and managed.

Again, this casts Bush's speech on Wednesday in a new light.

Being at the center of the action is nothing new for Halliburton and Brown & Root. The two companies have worked closely with governments in Algeria, Angola, Bosnia, Burma, Croatia, Haiti, Nigeria, Rwanda, and Somalia during the worst chapters in those nation's histories. Many environmental and human rights groups claim that Cheney, Halliburton and Brown & Root were, in fact, centrally involved in these fiascos. More recently, Brown & Root was contracted by the Defense Department to build cells for detainees in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The bill for that one project came to $300 million.

Cheney became involved with PNAC officially in 1997, while still profiting from deals between Halliburton and Hussein. One year later, Cheney and PNAC began actively and publicly agitating for war on Iraq. They have not stopped to this very day.

Another company with a vested interest in both war on Iraq and massively increased defense spending is the Carlyle Group. Carlyle, a private global investment firm with more than $12.5 billion in capital under management, was formed in 1987. Its interests are spread across 164 companies, including telecommunications firms and defense contractors. It is staffed at the highest levels by former members of the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations. Former President George H. W. Bush is himself employed by Carlyle as a senior advisor, as is long-time Bush family advisor and former Secretary of State James Baker III.

One company acquired by Carlyle is United Defense, a weapons manufacturer based in Arlington, VA. United Defense provides the Defense Department with combat vehicle systems, fire support, combat support vehicle systems, weapons delivery systems, amphibious assault vehicles, combat support services and naval armaments. Specifically, United Defense manufactures the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, the M113 armored personnel carrier, the M88A2 Recovery Vehicle, the Grizzly, the M9 ACE, the Composite Armored Vehicle, the M6 Linebacker, the M7 BFIST, the Armored Gun System, the M4 Command and Control Vehicle, the Battle Command Vehicle, the Paladin, the Crusader, and Electric Gun/Pulse Power weapons technology.

In other words, everything a growing Defense Department, a war in Iraq, and a burgeoning American military empire needs.

Ironically, one group that won't profit from Carlyle's involvement in American military buildup is the family of Osama bin Laden. The bin Laden family fortune was amassed by Mohammed bin Laden, father of Osama, who built a multi-billion dollar construction empire through contracts with the Saudi government. The Saudi BinLaden Group, as this company is called, was heavily invested in Carlyle for years. Specifically, they were invested in Carlyle's Partners II Fund, which includes in that portfolio United Defense and other weapons manufacturers.

This relationship was described in a September 27, 2001 article in the Wall Street Journal entitled 'Bin Laden Family Could Profit From Jump in Defense Spending Due to Ties to US Bank.' The 'bank' in question was the Carlyle Group. A follow-up article published by the Journal on September 28 entitled ' Bin Laden Family Has Intricate Ties With Washington - Saudi Clan Has Had Access To Influential Republicans ' further describes the relationship. In October of 2001, Saudi BinLaden and Carlyle severed their relationship by mutual agreement. The timing is auspicious.

There are a number of depths to be plumbed in all of this. The Bush administration has claimed all along that this war with Iraq is about Saddam Hussein's connections to terrorism and weapons of mass destruction, though through it all they have roundly failed to establish any basis for either accusation. On Wednesday, Bush went further to claim that the war is about liberating the Iraqi people and bringing democracy to the Middle East. This ignores cultural realities on the ground in Iraq and throughout the region that, salted with decades of deep mistrust for American motives, make such a democracy movement brought at the point of the sword utterly impossible to achieve.

This movement, cloaked in democracy, is in fact a PNAC-inspired push for an American global empire. It behooves Americans to understand that there is a great difference between being the citizen of a constitutional democracy and being a citizen of an empire. The establishment of an empire requires some significant sacrifices.

Essential social, medical, educational and retirement services will have to be gutted so that those funds can be directed towards a necessary military buildup. Actions taken abroad to establish the preeminence of American power, most specifically in the Middle East, will bring a torrent of terrorist attacks to the home front. Such attacks will bring about the final suspension of constitutional rights and the rule of habeas corpus, as we will find ourselves under martial law. In the end, however, this may be inevitable. An empire cannot function with the slow, cumbersome machine of a constitutional democracy on its back. Empires must be ruled with speed and ruthlessness, in a manner utterly antithetical to the way in which America has been governed for 227 years.

And yes, of course, a great many people will die.

It would be one thing if all of this was based purely on the ideology of our leaders. It is another thing altogether to consider the incredible profit motive behind it all. The President, his father, the Vice President, a whole host of powerful government officials, along with stockholders and executives from Halliburton and Carlyle, stand to make a mint off this war. Long-time corporate sponsors from the defense, construction and petroleum industries will likewise profit enormously.

Critics of the Bush administration like to bandy about the word "fascist" when speaking of George. The image that word conjures is of Nazi stormtroopers marching in unison towards Hitler's Final Solution. This does not at all fit. It is better, in this matter, to view the Bush administration through the eyes of Benito Mussolini. Mussolini, dubbed 'the father of Fascism,' defined the word in a far more pertinent fashion. "Fascism," said Mussolini, "should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power."

Boycott the French, the Germans, and the other 114 nations who stand against this Iraq war all you wish. France and Germany do not oppose Bush because they are cowards, or because they enjoy the existence of Saddam Hussein. France and Germany stand against the Bush administration because they intend to stop this Pax Americana in its tracks if they can. They have seen militant fascism up close and personal before, and wish never to see it again.

Would that we Americans could be so wise.

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William Rivers Pitt is a New York Times bestselling author of two books - "War On Iraq" (with Scott Ritter) available now from Context Books, and "The Greatest Sedition is Silence," available in May 2003 from Pluto Press. He teaches high school in Boston, MA.

Scott Lowery contributed research to this report.


gar fla


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(7/29/2004 4:25:55 AM)



 Re: Pax Americana ~ PNAC The Project for a New American Century
Back in 1980, my mother was a life long Republican. When Bush Sr. had been picked as Reagan's vice president, I remember her telling me how this man would be the start to a new world structure and how it would all go against what a true conservative stands for. Remember, this was long before the "age of information" as it's called. She had been very much interested in current events, never believed the news told us what we should really be hearing about, and did the best possible to find that out with what limited sources had been available at the time. Unfortunately, my mom came down with Alzheimer's in 97 and died last year. She wasn't aware of any news events after 2000. As sad as that sounds, I think it's much better that she didn't have to see what's become of this country.

Swedishoo
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(7/29/2004 5:16:49 AM)




 Re: Pax Americana ~ PNAC The Project for a New American Century
Your mother was a wise woman Gar, and it sounds like she was ahead of her time. You know, some people are given the gift of insight. You're right, maybe it's best she didn't see how things are unfolding...but then again, she already knew so it would be no surprise to her. Sorry about your loss of your mom, Gar. I'm very close to my mother and I don't ever want to think of losing her.

It's funny your mom felt that way about Bush because I had the same exact reaction. I had no idea who Geo Bush Sr. was but he gave me the creeps. I liked Reagan, but Bush made me incredibly nervous. When Bush Sr. ran for president and won, I was in a trance. I remember I was over at my friend's house watching the election and I felt sick. My girlfriend said, "I thought you and Kevin wanted Bush to win." My reply: "Bush is the Devil."  We all laughed and laughed, but really, I was serious.

Christy
Allen at 5


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(7/30/2004 10:38:17 PM)



 Re: Re: Pax Americana ~ PNAC The Project for a New American Century
I never trusted Reagan- expecially after Bush was picked as VP. It is directly due to their policies that all of SE Texas now looks like Latin America. We have more Salvadoran, Nicaraguan, Honduran, Guatemalan, etc. resturants on the Gulf Coast here than Burger Kings or McDonalds. All a result of the tens of thousands of refugees that fled the fighting in their homelands during the Reagan/Bush era. BTW, did you all know that Kerry is related to Bush Baby? He is his third cousin on his mother's side. Bonesman brother too... Allen
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(7/31/2004 3:22:52 AM)




 Re: Pax Americana ~ PNAC The Project for a New American Century
Al, what do you think about PNAC? For some reason this Project for a New America is creeping me out. So far it's been followed to a tee and if Bush wins this next election Iran is next...then Syria and Libia. I don't know what Kerry will do with PNAC. I doubt he'll dissolve it, but he'll probably put a differnet spin to it. This Project for a New America has really been pressing on me. They say the project is so ingenious because it's open in plain sight and all they need is to get people to believe that war is for peace and democracy. Something is wrong. What do you think?

Christy
Allen at 5


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(7/31/2004 8:31:02 PM)



 Pax Americana= Pax Romana
The old saying was: "All roads lead to Rome". Substitute "the USA" for Rome and you will get a minor handle on what this is all about. The "choice" between Bush or Kerry is like the choice between Coke and Pepsi- you still get a cola. No matter who "wins" in November- the election is a meaningless rigged farce and it will make no difference at all whatsoever in the course of History. Kerry's fawning support of Israel is even worse than Baby Bushco's is. PNAC is a BAD idea all around and Americans will one day soon be hated and denigrated world wide in the same manner the Germans were post-1945 for allowing it to happen. Did you know that the Germans have the lowest birth rate per capita of any people on the planet? They have been so shamed by the manipulated events of the past century and a half or so that in a few years they will be extinct. One of the smartest, most creative and industrious people on the planet gone- now who (or what) would want that? The Muslims have been set up and targeted for extermination as "the bad guys" of today in exactly the same way the Germans and Japanese were in WW-2. The only reason the Italian-Americans weren't bothered here was that the Mafia and the Catholic Church kept a lid on it. Think about it Folks: other than minor bashing, the Italian fascists got almost a free ride thru WW-2. Why? Austria (Hitler's homeland) also escaped almost unscathed any bombing or Allied attacks during hostilities- again why? Allen
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(8/1/2004 5:56:39 PM)




 Re: Pax Americana= Pax Romana
Recently I have heard many interviews include the references of Rome and/or Hitler pertaining to what is happening right now with our upcoming election and with the war in Iraq. Even the Micheal Moore and Bill O'Reilly interview brought this up, of which O'Reilly quickly dropped. I've been noticing that these references of Rome, empires, fascism, and Hitler are being brought up in media circles but are totally avoiding PNAC...which is the basis of why these buzz words are being brought up.

I agree with the Pepsi/Coke analogy you gave.We know with Bush we're going to get a regular cola, but are we going to get a regular cola with Kerry, or are we going to get a diet cola or a caffine-free cola? It reminds me of that game show on TV long ago...Let's Make A Deal. Monte Hall gives you a donkey behind curtain #1 but you can trade it in for what's behind curtain #2. You quickly go for curtain #2 and revealed is not another donkey, but a camel.

"Think about it Folks: other than minor bashing, the Italian fascists got almost a free ride thru WW-2. Why? Austria (Hitler's homeland) also escaped almost unscathed any bombing or Allied attacks during hostilities- again why?"

From what I understand, the vatican owns about a 1/3 of the HolyLand in property. Are you saying that the overall connection are the ramifacations of Israel?

Christy

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(8/2/2004 2:03:59 AM)



 Re: Re: Pax Americana= Pax Romana
Swedishoo wrote on 8/1/2004 11:56:39 AM:

From what I understand, the vatican owns about a 1/3 of the HolyLand in property. Are you saying that the overall connection are the ramifacations of Israel?

Christy


You have no IDEA!!! Bush has been collaborating with End Times Pentacostals before he makes ANY decision on Israel Foriegn policy. These frootloops he talks with want the End Times to come around NOW. They plan on having the Israeli government kil all Palestinians, take all Palestinian land, and any other land other countries may have that  was once "Israelite Biblical" land, move in, build a New Temple of David, and then this will (in their minds at least) bring Christ's return and judgement on all us evil non-believers!

The Roman Catholic Church has perpetrated more henious acts since it's inception than ANY OTHER ORGANIZED RELIGION in history. The persecuted every other religion (even off shoot Christian religions) through out history for the sake of greed, power, and to be the big boys on the block. They have caused more hate mongering than you can shake a stick at. Now, though, they have a lot of competion from even MORE psycho fundamentalists (accent on the MENTAL) of so mnay DIFFERENT religions, the world is on the precipice, and about to fall over.

Ill winds are blowing. Prepare now for the worst and hope for the best. learn to wild craft healing herbs and plants, learn field medicine, learn survival techniques, learn all you can of HOW to survive when the world goes dark. If things manage to straighten out and TS doesn't HTF, then you have great camping skills and such. if it DOES happen and TSHTF, then you will be prepared and will survive.

And no, I am NOT being paranoid. As you said about Gar's mother being gifted with an insight, well, it's more of a curse. I would LOVE to be as in the dark as most of the rest of the population, but I cannot be. haven't been since I was 7 or so. It sucks to be a kid and KNOW that when you grow up the world will turn over and go dark and you will have to live in a man made hell. I used to think I was just crazy. But since the internet came along, I have met so many others like myself, who have had to suffer through the dreams and visions of what the future holds for us, unless we can stop it NOW, dead in it's tracks. The sheeple do not wake up, so it doesn't appear we can stop it now.

All I can say is PREPARE NOW.
Jena
Swedishoo
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 Re: Pax Americana= Pax Romana

Hi Jena. Great post! As you can tell from reading the board that we too have things come to us. NWO propaganda has a way of falling into my lap. It must be my magnetic personality...hehe. I don't know if anyone could actually prepare for the worse. Those who are sick or have special needs would have great problems and most likely fall victim to the situation. If Geo Bush is re-elected we will certainly follow through with continuous wars--with Iran, Syria and Libya. Kerry's a gammit. I have put thought in to preparedness. It's no laughing matter, especially for one who lives in the city. I have a large property, with a huge fireplace, gas generator, independant sewer system, and a deep well with good water. Of course everything we use now supplied by the city, but if something should happen, we could survive more comfortably than most.

Christy


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 When the "Gods" fail you...
The Illuminutty don't really fully understand exactly what "force(s)" they have made a deal with. The lower ranks have no idea at all what is going on- the higher levels are running a bit scared right now because everything is not coming out as they had been told it would. The "Great Age Year" or the year 2000 was supposed to usher in the NWO with the festival of "a thousand points of light" capped (pun here) by the crowning of the Great Pyramid in Egypt with a fake golden capstone. It didn't happen, so they had to fall back to an alternate plan (aka 9/11). This is failing now even worse than the original did. Folks, these "people" are panic striken and VERY scared. They aren't achieving what their higher level masters told them they would. Only a tiny core of the nutballs still have a tenuous contact with these "higher order intelligences" (or OINTS as the late Ivan Sanderson once termed them) and the promises these entities made cannot and will not be kept now. Bush Baby knows this, the Pope knows this, so do the hard core Zionists and the rest of the religious dinks who put their entire posterior out on the table banking on "salvation", eternal life and total power IF they just followed orders. Too bad... Allen
Swedishoo
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 Re: When the "Gods" fail you...
Damn Al, we must be psychic with each other. I was just thinking of bush's Point of Light tonight. How weird.

Get this. This is for-real!! I am not making this up, as funny as it is. Here is the address of the Points of Light foundation. I didn't put that in parenthesis either...LOL

Points of Light Foundation
1400 I ("Eye") Street, NW
Suite 800
Washington, DC 20005
Allen at 5


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(8/3/2004 1:10:46 AM)



 Re: Re: When the "Gods" fail you...
Probably. There is an old saying: "Members of the same family are seldom born under the same roof". There are frequencies that certain animals like dolphins share that links them all together. Humans are the same except we have a far more fragile and nebulous linkage due to interference from our good buddies "the bad guys". "As above, so below": the ancient Heremetic doctrine. I suspect if you go all the way to the top of the scale to where you hit "God, Gods, or Divine Beings" of whatever sort- the same thing is true. They/we all share a mind or "soul" or heart link with each other on some level. Allen
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 Iraqi Satellite TV under US control
BAGHDAD, Aug. 7 (Xinhuanet) -- Iraq's interim government onSaturday ordered Qatar-based al-Jazeera Satellite TV channel toclose its office in Baghdad for one month.

   "We have asked an independent committee to monitor Al-Jazeerafor the last four weeks ... to see what kind of violence, hatred,problems and racial tensions they have advocated," Iraqi PrimeMinister Iyad Allawi said at a Baghdad news conference.    "This is a decision taken by the national security committee toprotect the people of Iraq, in the interests of the Iraqi people,"Allawi added.

   Meanwhile, al-Jazeera's spokesman Jihad Ballout reportedly saidthat it was a regrettable decision, but the channel would continueto try to cover the situation in Iraq.

   The Iraqi move came after a report on US Defense SecretaryDonald Rumsfeld accusing Al-Jazeera and another main Arab newschannel Al-Arabiya of harming the image of the United States in theArab world.

   Earlier this month, Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebaricriticised Al-Jazeera, the Saudi-funded Al-Arabiya and other Araband Iranian stations for their coverage of Iraq and threatened toclose their Baghdad offices.  Enditem


Allen at 5


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 Re: Iraqi Satellite TV under US control
If you go back to the late 18th century and cause the underground press in the American Colonies who were doing far more agitation against British rule than these guys are against the USA, to shut down because they were critical of and detrimental to the interests of the British Crown you will see how absolutely hypocritical this is. Yep, we sure live in a "free" country allright which wants to bring democracy (aka fascism, aka nazism/communism) to other lands... Allen
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 Fasicism and Imperialism
Yep. Fascism and Imperialism in the works. The wheels are greased and starting to roll...downhill, I might add.

Christy
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(8/8/2004 9:30:25 PM)




 PNAC
I've gone around to the various message boards and posted information on PNAC. My post was partially removed by Dona at CTTUSA due to the subject matter being off-topic, but she was kind to keep the replies up. So I copied the replies over here to continue the conversation.

Original post by me:

chemtrail_and_company wrote:

America, read up and know what PNAC is all about. This will bring to light many unanswered questions.

It doesn't matter if you are Republican or Democrat. It doesn't matter if you loved Michael Moore's movie or hated it. It doesn't matter if you are to the left in your political stance or to the right.

There is a program called PNAC that you all should be informed of. There are promoters who go from board to board to appeal to the conservative to instill a fascist/imperialistic mindset. FoxMulder2 is one of those promoters. These people are not conservatives nor liberals...they are more along the line of Imperialists promoting a "doctrine of preemption" to conservative voters to make the Project of a New America thrive.

This is a fascist/imperialist program and cannot be carried out unless the people are convinced that other countries are going to attack us if we don't attack them first.

What is PNAC?

PNAC, Program for a New America Century and its branched committee, The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, was founded in 1997 by twenty-five members, of which include: Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Elliott Abrams, I. Lewis Libby, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett , and Jeb Bush. These men, with the exception of the president's brother, are now executive cabinet members and defense aids under the Bush administration.

The "New America's" goal is to transform the superpower of the U.S. into a planetary empire by force of arms. The PNAC founders developed the blueprint for a unilateral invasion of Iraq LONG before President Bush came into office. The goal of this planned invasion was not to eliminate the threat of "weapons of mass destruction," as Bush and his PNAC cronies insist, but to "advance the cause of American leadership in the world."

The Pax Americana, Project for a New America is laid out in plain sight. They are not hiding behind their agenda. This project is unprecedented and vital to carry out in the views of imperialist thought and fascist hegemony. Never in history has there been this grand of an opportunity to implement such a world regime. And we cannot allow it to happen.



http://www.fcnp.com/252/whitehouse.htm
http://www.presentdanger.org/frontier/2002/1031neocon_body.html
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
http://www.peace.ca/paxamericana.htm

Christy ~ Swedishoo
God bless our country



From:  Al Capone <u3t2533@y...>
Date:  Sun Aug 8, 2004  9:18 am
Subject:  Re: [Chem Trail Tracking USA] Be Aware of PNAC ~ Project for a New America Century

This is all true. However, they're using this Teddy Roosvelt-type attitude of "use-the-world-to-serve-America's-well-being" as a cover and lure to sucker ignorant Americans into accepting something which is really more like the situation in the book 1984. Conservatives who now pile onto Bush's bandwagon do not realize what is really in store for all of us. I'vve been aware for a long time that this (a one-world govt also known as the New World Order) would be coming down the pike.

The Bill of Rights and the Constitution would be replaced with a nazi-like govt with all of us being not much more than slaves. This old conspiracy actually goes back several centuries. It is even possible that Bush, in his deep ignorance, does not know what is really in store for us and as much of the rest of the world that they can get their claws into.

The names listed on the manifest wensite of the PNAC are merely those of the flunkeys and listed to give it a veneer of respectability. The real creators of this scheme are unknown and wish to remain so. Ever notice that look in Bush's eyes, especially from side camera shots? I have. I've seen that look in the eyes of psychotics! Think about it -- one day he's talking about going to the moon and to mars with the economy in its present rotten condition. At the same time he's putting this nation into the greatest economic deficit in history believing that by doing so, he will improve it. These and others seem like signs of madness.

I really believe that he and his thug advisors along with the CIA are the real culprits who pulled off 9/11 for numerous reasons -- to bump up his popularity, a reason to get us into Iraq by establishing a beach head nearby -- Afghanistan, destroy civil liberties, and I can't recall what else. I also believe that he/they will bring about another 9/11 before the election in order to regain acceptance by voters and to be re-elected.



From:  "Jennifer Guidry" <lonelylittleme13@m...>
Date:  Sun Aug 8, 2004  12:56 pm
Subject:  Re: [Chem Trail Tracking USA] Be Aware of PNAC ~ Project for a New America Century


Ok, well, we have had Dems and Reps BOTH in the WH while this has been going on. So, it doesn't really MATTER which party rules the roost. Same with both houses. It has swapped who has the majority in each many times while the spraying continues. Politics don't really affect the CT spraying ops.


The Bill of Rights and the Constitution would be replaced with a nazi-like govt with all of us being not much more than slaves. This old conspiracy actually goes back several centuries. It is even possible that Bush, in his deep ignorance, does not know what is really in store for us and as much of the rest of the world that they can get their claws into.


**** True enough. But then, most likely MOST politicians do not know what is going on.


The names listed on the manifest website of the PNAC are merely those of the flunkeys and listed to give it a veneer of respectability.


Well, look at NASA's attempts to make CTs seem benign: jet contrails, persistant contrails, OH! it's just some experiments to see how much UV is coming through the hole in the ozone and it is totally HARMLESS! Evil that tries to blend in and appear nice and pretty and gentle is the one that should scare you most.


I really believe that he and his thug advisors along with the CIA are the real culprits who pulled off 9/11 for numerous reasons -- to bump up his popularity, a reason to get us into Iraq by establishing a beach head nearby -- Afghanistan, destroy civil liberties, and I can't recall what
else. I also believe that he/they will bring about another 9/11 before the election in order to regain acceptance by voters and to be re-elected.


Ok, now this bit here is for discussion elsewhere, or Dona shall give us da boot...

Jena


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 Re: Re: Pax Americana= Pax Romana
Swedishoo wrote on 8/1/2004 9:03:03 PM:

I have put thought in to preparedness. It's no laughing matter, especially for one who lives in the city. I have a large property, with a huge fireplace, gas generator, independant sewer system, and a deep well with good water. Of course everything we use now supplied by the city, but if something should happen, we could survive more comfortably than most.

Christy




If TSHTF you do NOT want to stay in a city. The reason being: those who do not have will come take what you do ahve from you. No law, means lawlessness will abound. Start researching remote areas near you, with cave or hillocks that can be dug out safely, running water (preferabley feed from underground), wild foragable foods and game. And start getting solar blankets, flints, camping gear that is light and portable, fleece, etc. Eacj pack should weigh no more than 40 pounds that each adult has, and weight appropriatefor kids (yes, they will have to help carry). Start learning basic skills for first aid, wild crafting healing plants and what fruits/veggies are safe from the wild, hunting, trapping,. hide tanning, etc.

Jena