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Swedishoo
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(7/2/2004 5:35:42 AM)




 Re: Michael Moore questions
Think about it. WHY would all of the sudden they would want to go into the theater business? Remember how the gooberment didn't want F 9/11 in public view in the first place?

Time to blow the dust of the Communist Manifesto.

Christy
Swedishoo
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(7/2/2004 6:04:19 AM)




 Re: Michael Moore questions
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Allen at 5


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(7/2/2004 9:15:39 PM)



 Re: Re: Michael Moore questions
Swedishoo wrote on 7/1/2004 11:35:42 PM:
Think about it. WHY would all of the sudden they would want to go into the theater business? Remember how the gooberment didn't want F 9/11 in public view in the first place?

Time to blow the dust of the Communist Manifesto.

Christy

The best, easiest way to get people to do what you want is to tell them not to- Prohibition is a perfect example of this. I suspect this whole charade may have been planned to generate this kind of reaction. The Carlyle group had to have had this deal in the works for a long time prior to now, they didn't just go drum this up the past couple weeks. They are probably sitting around laughing their BLEEPS off at all the people who were concerned about the goobernment trying to prevent them seeing the film. I am also comforted that the issue of Moore's completely ignoring the Zionist connection to 9/11 and swallowing the official line of the "19 Arab Terrorists directed by Usama did it" bit whole, has raised the eyebrows of more people than just me. There are several interesting links out there- check them out. I warned you all this might well be nothing but a false flag op. I can also tell you right now that the probability that Bush Baby will be "re-elected" is VERY high. Get ready for fo' mo' years! Allen
gar fla


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(7/3/2004 3:01:31 AM)



 Re: Questions
Just because you've "heard" that Bushops is making a profit from this movie, does that mean it's true? Geez, we should at least cherish the moment in knowing the general public is being given such awareness. If you want to find conspiracy in everything, you'll never discover the truth in anything. Is it just possible that Michael Moore has the genuine knowledge to have known how to reach this goal? Apple polishing is the last thing we need right now.

Swedishoo
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(7/3/2004 4:38:35 AM)




 Business knows business

In my opinion, I don't think that Moore had any connection or control of Carlyle buying up the Ritz/Lowes theaters...it of course was the result or counter-move...but a smart one at that. Buying these independant theaters could prevent OTHER movies that are sure to follow.

I was just thinking about this today...that those in the business knows the business. For example, let's say you're a faux artist, using myself as an example. Regardless of how simple the technique, no one knows how you did it. It actually baffles people as to how it was done. However, other good faux artists know exactly what you did. When I see other people's work, I'll know not only how they did it, but if they are a professional artist or a scammer wanna-be, what materials they used, if they cut corners, or over charged...just by looking at their work. My point being: The information that Moore put in Fahrenheit 9/11 was good to inform the masses on a light level, but the information he could have included would've been mind-blowing...so much so, that the movie might have been a complete flop. But here's what I'm getting at. Moore is in the movie business, not the political business. Can you just imagine how much information that those who are in the political business knows?  And let me tell you they all do. Every senator, every aide, every secretary in the political business knows what's going on and holds their own bag of secrets. Because of Moore's F 9/11 there will be people coming out of the woodwork opening their bag of secrets...and some will be BS too. I think between now and the election, there will be so much "information" floating around it will be hard to determine which is real and which is misleading propaganda. But relating this back to the 'every business knows their business' point of view, regardless of how much BS is flaoting around, our Congressmen and women KNOW. They know, and we'll have to keep on their tails and hold them accountable.

Christy


Swedishoo
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(7/3/2004 5:13:40 AM)




 Carlyle
Here's an interesting article I found about the Carlyle group in more detail. After reading this it's apparent that Carlyle is into investing around the world, which one could see that the interests of business outweigh any needs of the US people.

Carlyle Empire
  By Eric Leser
  Le Monde

  Thursday, April 29, 2004

The biggest private investor in the world, deeply entrenched in the weapons' sector, is a discreet group that cultivates dealings with influential men, including Bush father and son.

  One year ago, May 1, 2003, George Bush, strapped up in a fighter pilot's suit, landed on the deck of the aircraft carrier USS Abraham-Lincoln along the coast of California. The image became famous. Under a banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished", the president prematurely announced the end of military operations in Iraq and his victory. Back on dry land the next day, he made another martial speech, not far from San Diego, in a United Defense Industries' weapons factory.

  This company is one of the Pentagon's main suppliers. It manufactures, among other things, missiles, transport vehicles, and the light Bradley armored vehicle. Its main shareholder is the biggest private investor in the world, a discreet group, called Carlyle.

  It's not listed on the stock market and doesn't have to show its accounts to any but its 550 investors- billionaires or pension funds. Carlyle manages eighteen billion dollars today, invested in defense and high tech (notably biotech), space, security-linked information technology, nanotechnologies, and telecommunications. The companies it controls share the characteristic that their main customers are governments and administrations. As the company wrote in its brochure: "We invest in the opportunities created in industries strongly affected by changes in government policy."

  Carlyle is a unique model, assembled at the planetary level on the capitalism of relationships or "capitalism of access" to use the 1993 expression of the American magazine New Republic. Today, in spite of its denials, the group incarnates the "military-industrial complex" against which Republican President Dwight Eisenhower warned the American people when he left office in 1961.

  That didn't prevent George Bush senior from occupying a position as consultant to Carlyle for the ten years ending October 2003. It was the first time in United States' history that a former president worked for a Pentagon supplier. His son, George W. Bush, also knows Carlyle well. The group found him a job in February 1990, while his father occupied the White House: administrator for Caterair, a Texas company specialized in aerial catering. The episode does not figure in the president's official biography. When George W. Bush left Caterair in 1994, before becoming Governor of Texas, the company was in bad shape.

  "It's not possible to get closer to the administration than Carlyle is," asserts Charles Lewis, Director of the Center for Public Integrity, a non-partisan organization in Washington. "George Bush senior earned money from private interests that worked for the government of which his son was president. You could even say that the president could one day profit financially, through his father's investments, from the political decisions he himself took," he adds.

  The collection of influential characters who now work, have worked, or have invested in the group would make the most convinced conspiracy theorists incredulous. They include among others, John Major, former British Prime Minister; Fidel Ramos, former Philippines President; Park Tae Joon, former South Korean Prime Minister; Saudi Prince Al-Walid; Colin Powell, the present Secretary of State; James Baker III, former Secretary of State; Caspar Weinberger, former Defense Secretary; Richard Darman, former White House Budget Director; the billionaire George Soros, and even some bin Laden family members. You can add Alice Albright, daughter of Madeleine Albright, former Secretary of State; Arthur Lewitt, former SEC head; William Kennard, former head of the FCC, to this list. Finally, add in the Europeans: Karl Otto Poehl, former Bundesbank president; the now-deceased Henri Martre, who was president of Aerospatiale; and Etienne Davignon, former president of the Belgian Generale Holding Company.

  Carlyle isn't only a collection of power people. It maintains holdings in close to 200 companies and, above all, provides returns on its investments that have exceeded 30 % for a decade. "Compared to the five hundred people we employ in the world, the number of former statesmen is quite small, a dozen at most," explains Christopher Ullmann, Carlyle Vice-President for communication. "We're accused of every wrong, but no one has ever brought proof of any kind of misappropriation. No legal proceeding has ever been brought against us. We're a handy target for whoever wants to take shots at the American government and the president."

  Carlyle was created in 1987 in the salons of the New York eponymous palace, with five million dollars. Its founders, four lawyers, including David Rubenstein (a former Jimmy Carter advisor), had the -limited- ambition at the time of profiting from a flaw in fiscal legislation that authorized companies owned by Eskimos in Alaska to give their losses to profitable companies that would thus pay reduced taxes. The group vegetated until January 1989 and the arrival at its helm of the man who would invent the Carlyle system, Frank Carlucci. Former Assistant Director of the CIA, National Security Advisor, then Ronald Reagan's Defense Secretary, Mr. Carlucci counted in Washington. He is one of current Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's closest friends. They were roommates as students at Princeton together. Later, their paths crossed in several administrations and they even worked for a time at the same company, Sears Roebuck.

  Six days after officially quitting the Pentagon, January 6, 1989, Frank Carlucci became Carlyle's Director General. He brought trusted lieutenants from the CIA, the State Department, and the Defense Department with him. Nicknamed "Mr. Clean", Frank Carlucci has a sulfurous reputation.

  This diplomat was posted during the 1970s to countries such as South Africa, the Congo, Tanzania, and Portugal, where the United States and the CIA had played a questionable political role. He was the number two at the American embassy in the Belgian Congo in 1961 and was suspected of being implicated in the assassination of Patrice Lumumba. He has always firmly denied it. The American press has also accused him of being implicated in several cases of arms trafficking in the 1980s, but he has never been prosecuted. For a while, he directed Wackenhut, a security company with a hateful reputation, implicated in one of the biggest espionage scandals ever, the hijacking of Promise software. Frank Carlucci had the mission of cleaning up after the Iran-Contra affair in the Reagan administration and he succeeded John Pointdexter as National Security Advisor. As he took over his new position, he chose a young general to be his assistant... Colin Powell.

  Frank Carlucci's name attracted capital to Carlyle. In October 1990, the group took over BDM International, which participated in the "Star Wars" Program and constituted a bridgehead to it. In 1992, Frank Carlucci allied himself with the French group Thomson-CSF to take over LTV's aerospace division. The operation failed, Congress opposing the sale to a foreign group. Carlyle found other associates, Loral and Northrop, and got hold of LTV Aerospace, quickly renamed Vought Aircraft, which contributed to the manufacture of the B1 and B2 bombers.

  At the same time, the fund was multiplying its strategic acquisitions, such as Magnavox Electronic Systems, a pioneer in radar imagery, and DGE, which owns the technology for cruise missile electronic relief maps.

  Three companies specializing in nuclear, chemical, and biological decontamination (Magnetek, IT Group and EG & G Technical Services) followed. Then, through BDM International, a firm linked to the CIA, Carlyle acquired Vinnell, which was among the first companies to supply the American army and its allies with private contractors, i.e. mercenaries. Vinnell's mercenaries train the Saudi armed forces and protect King Fahd. During the first Gulf War, they fought alongside Saudi troops. In 1997, Carlyle sold BDM and Vinnell, which had become too dangerous. The group didn't need it any more. It had become the Pentagon's eleventh biggest supplier by gaining control of United Defense Industries that same year.

  Carlyle emerged from the shadows in spite of itself on September 11, 2001. That day, the group had organized a meeting at Washington's Ritz Carlton Hotel with five hundred of its largest investors. Frank Carlucci and James Baker III played masters of ceremony. George Bush senior made a lightning appearance at the beginning of the day. The presentation was quickly interrupted, but one detail escaped no one. One of the guests wore the name bin Laden on his badge. It was Shafiq bin Laden, one of Osama's many brothers. The American media discovered Carlyle. One journalist, Dan Briody, wrote a book about the group's hidden side, "The Iron Triangle", and takes an interest in the close relations between the Bush clan and the Saudi leadership.

  Some ask about George Bush senior's influence on American foreign policy.

  In January 2001, while George Bush junior was breaking off negotiations over missiles with North Korea, the dismayed South Koreans intervened with his father. Carlyle has important interests in Seoul. In June 2001, Washington resumed discussions with Pyongyang.

  Another example: in July 2001, according to the New York Times, George Bush senior telephoned Saudi Prince Abdullah who was unhappy with the positions the president took on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. George Bush senior reassured the prince that his son "is doing good things" and "has his heart in the right place."

  Larry Klayman, Director of Judicial Watch, a resolutely conservative organization, demands that "the president's father resign from Carlyle. The group has conflicts of interest that can create problems for American foreign policy." Finally, in October 2003, George Bush senior leaves Carlyle, officially because he's nearing eighty years old.

  It doesn't matter that Carlyle put an end to all relations with the bin Laden family in October 2001; the evil was already done. The group, along with Halliburton, has become the target of Bush administration opponents.

  "Carlyle has replaced the Trilateral Commission in conspiracy theories," David Rubenstein acknowledged in a 2003 Washington Post interview. For the first time, the group put someone in charge of communications and changed its boss. Frank Carlucci became honorary president and Lou Gerstner, a respected executive who saved IBM, officially took the reins.

  That operation seems mostly cosmetic. Mr. Gerstner doesn't spend much time in his office; but Carlyle wants to become respectable.

  The Group has created an Internet site. It has opened certain funds to investors bringing "only" 250,000 dollars (210,000 euros). It will have reduced its holdings in United Defense Industries, and asserts that defense and aeronautics represent no more than 15 % of its investments.

  However, Carlyle continues to make intensive use of fiscal havens and it's difficult to know the names of the companies it controls or its perimeter.

  Carlyle is also increasing its efforts in Europe. In September 2001, it took control of the Swedish weapons manufacturer Bofors through United Defense. Subsequently, it tried, unsuccessfully, to take over Thales Information Systems and, in the beginning of 2003, to acquire those parts of France Telecom that are in Eutelsat, which plays an important role in the European Positioning System by Galileo satellite - a competitor of the American GPS. From 1999 to 2002, it managed a holding in Le Figaro. In Italy, it made a breakthrough, by taking up Fiat's aeronautics subsidiary, Fiat Avio. This company is a supplier to Arianespace and allows Carlyle to be part of the European Rocket Council. In another coup in December 2002, Carlyle bought a third of Qinetic, the private subsidiary of the British military's Research and Development Center. Qinetic occupies a unique advisory role with the British government.

  "To anticipate the technologies of the future and the enterprises which will develop them is our first role as an investor. Pension funds bring us their money for that. You can't blame us for trying to take strategic positions," Mr. Ullmann stresses.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/050904H.shtml


Allen at 5


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(7/3/2004 12:26:55 PM)



 Re: Re: Questions
gar fla wrote on 7/2/2004 9:01:31 PM:
Just because you've "heard" that Bushops is making a profit from this movie, does that mean it's true? Geez, we should at least cherish the moment in knowing the general public is being given such awareness. If you want to find conspiracy in everything, you'll never discover the truth in anything. Is it just possible that Michael Moore has the genuine knowledge to have known how to reach this goal? Apple polishing is the last thing we need right now.

I'm sorry Gar, but I have to disagree with you completely. Ignoring connections and facts in events where they can be demonstrated and proven to exist is hardly seeing conspiracies everywhere, nor is it the way to find Truth. Allen
gar fla


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(7/3/2004 3:07:18 PM)



 Re: Re: Re: Questions
Al, I'm curious to know if you could provide some sources which would support the belief of an Israel/9-11 connection, something as well established as Moore's demonstration of a Bush and Bin Laden family link.

Allen at 5


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(7/3/2004 6:29:41 PM)



 Re: Re: Re: Re: Questions
gar fla wrote on 7/3/2004 9:07:18 AM:
Al, I'm curious to know if you could provide some sources which would support the belief of an Israel/9-11 connection, something as well established as Moore's demonstration of a Bush and Bin Laden family link.

I don't do other people's research for them. Here is a source with a lot of good info, there are several others: http://whatreallyhappened.com/ Mike Rivero is a big fan of Moore BTW. I've exchanged a few e-mails with him and he has published some of my comments on his "Reader's Letters" page. We agree sometimes and sometimes not. There is evidence linking an outside foreign goobernment to the events of 9/11- the US goobenment has admitted this in public statements by members of Congress and the evidence has been classified for a 50 year period. The evidence linking the dancing Israelis arrested filming the WTC disatser on 9/11 is also classified. You can be assured that if the "outside foreign government" were Iraq, Iran, or ANY other Muslim state it would have been plastered all over the airwaves and every other form of media within hours of discovery. The very fact it was buried indicates strongly that the nation in question has the US goobernment by the BLEEPS. The highest probability is that it is Israel. This is a nation that cannot survive without yearly US handouts and has already cost the American people FOUR TIMES the cost of the entire Apollo moon program and we have gotten NOTHING in return to show for that expense. Again, these are facts that can be checked and cannot be refuted. Allen