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Swedishoo
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(5/13/2004 5:28:56 AM)




 Beheading of Nick Berg
I just watched the video. http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/  compliments of our buddies. The thing drags on and on but the decapitaion part goes quick with lots of film cuts. Beheaded with a knife...didn't seem like a very sharp one if you ask me. Could tell he had some trouble. You can see casted shadows behind them. They had some sort of artifical light source on them. Not much blood. Could be a fake.

Christy
Swedishoo
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(5/13/2004 5:38:01 AM)




 Re: Beheading of Nick Berg

Translated from Arabic

Sheikh Abu Mus'ab Alzrqawy slaughters an American with his hands and threatens Bush with more

A statement to the nation

The praise of Allah for all Muslims with his support and the humiliating of those who attempt to defeat Islam and who attack it and who entice the unbelievers with their cunning.

The one that appreciated the days countries with its justice and the prayer and the greeting on from above the Islam lighthouse by its sword as for after :

The Islamic nation

You rejoice at the first signs of the dawn that have started that have granted the wind of triumph. Allah was benevolent to us in Al Fallujah, granting us victory

On one of the days of Allah and that was known to Allah alone

The Islamic nation

Does any excuse for waiting remain? How the free Muslim sleeps, with his eyelids closed.

And he sees that Islam is slaughtered and can be seen bleeding its dignity

And the shameful pictures and the news of the evil humiliation of the Islam people men and women in Ghareb 's father prison then where the jealousy and where the zeal and where the anger about the Allah's religion and where the jealousy for the Muslims sanctities and where the revenge for the honors of Muslims and Muslims is in the crosses prisons .

As for you are the Islam clerics then to Allah we complain about you, you see that Allah have founded the argument on you by the Islam young man who humiliated the strongest force in the date then broke its nose and destroyed its pride

We came to you that you learn from them the reliance meanings and derive from their doing the lessons of sacrifice and redemption to when you remain as the women you master only the slapping language and know only the way of wail and weeping

Then this appeals the world freemen and this it begs Kofi Annan and a third begs Amr Moussa and fourth he demands peaceful demonstrations and as if they did not hear to his saying ( ( O you the prophet incited the believers to the fight ) )

You were fed up with the fight of the conferences and the oratorical battles ohm came to you that you take the jihad way and carry the sword that sent by it the prophets master

And we beg from you that you do not be involved as usual in the denial of what will do it satisfaction of the Americans

He has ordered the prophet - peace be upon him - and he is master the merciful are with the slitting of the necks of some prisoners and their slow killing

And for us it is an example and a good example

As for you, the Roman dog Bush, I hope you are displeased and we wait for you with God's Help tough days and you and your soldiers today who tred Iraq's land will regret it.

And she dared in it to the Muslims fever

And another message to traitor Pervez Musharraf then we say to him that we in wait for your meeting with your soldiers

We demand of the American and will take revenge for the blood of our brothers in and Iraq and elsewhere

And as for you and the Americans soldiers wife then we say that we offered to the American administration this prisoner in exchange for some of the prisoners in Abu Ghareb prison but they refused

Then we say but if the dignity of Muslims and Muslims in Abu Ghareb prison and others is worth theur blood and souls

we tell you to know that the coffins will arrive to you one coffin after another, as your people are slaughtered in this way.........

Then you kill the polytheists where you find them and you take them and count them and place them where they can be seen.

Allah is the greatest and the honour to Allah and to its messenger and to the militants

And our last claim is that the praise of Allah is the Lord of the Worlds

Abu Mus'ab Alzrqawy
Prince of Al Tawhid group and jihad
Iraq
22 Rabi I 1425
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11/5/2004

And you see the slaughter, your fighting brothers suspend the head of this unbeliever on one of Baghdad bridges so that they teach a lesson to others from the infidels and serves as a witness to the honour of the Muslims


Swedishoo
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(5/13/2004 5:40:24 AM)




 Re: Beheading of Nick Berg
As for you the Roman dog Bush...

LOL. That's a good one. Gee, I wonder if they had any writers?
Allen at 5


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(5/13/2004 7:10:38 AM)



 Re: Re: Beheading of Nick Berg
Swedishoo wrote on 5/12/2004 11:40:24 PM:
As for you the Roman dog Bush...

LOL. That's a good one. Gee, I wonder if they had any writers?

Sounds like a bunch of rambling nonsense strung together, not really convincing. It doesn't leave me feeling like a muslim or any Arab wrote it. Allen
Allen at 5


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(5/13/2004 12:15:43 PM)



 Re: Re: Re: Beheading of Nick Berg
http://www.infowars.com/print/iraq/berg.htm. Link with some interesting thoughts about this event. One thing I have read a couple places (I haven't seen the alleged video segment) is that one of the "terrorists" has a rifle that appears to be an Israeli Galil. That would be odd enough in itself although it is possible it could be a captured weapon. Allen
Swedishoo
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(5/13/2004 8:12:12 PM)




  Re: Beheading of Nick Berg
Yeah, there's a lot of loose ends to this. Video was choppy (no pun intended)

Christy
Allen at 5


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(5/15/2004 10:53:12 AM)



 Re: Re: Beheading of Nick Berg
The more I look at all the pieces of this, the more I think it was a hoax designed to distract attention from the prison torture scandle. There is no way to know if this guy is really dead, or if he is that he was killed in the manner alleged. There is speculation that he was actually in the Abu Graib prison and his head was removed (after his death) for the "video" sequence hence the lack of blood and the clean cut from the knife (nearly impossible to do). We will likely never know the real truth on this, but it looks as if the whole plan didn't work as hoped. Allen
Swedishoo
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(5/16/2004 5:20:38 AM)




 Re: Beheading of Nick Berg
I downloaded the video and watched it many times in slow play and freezing the frames. Too many red flags if you ask me. This may sound odd, but I'm a nose person. It was hard to determine if it was really Berg in the video because of the poor film quality and the beard but I'll tell ya, I had a big problem with his nose. It's not Berg's nose. When you zoom into the video, the victim's nose bridge has been digitally manipulated. Easy to see. The decapatated victim's ears are also lower than Berg's. Just too many red flags...too many holes in this video to make me believe it's real. The video footage is out of focus, it is clearly tampered with, especially with the victim's face, the camera is not set to a white scale (the chair Berg is sitting on is white...although it looks beige. The orange suit is faded, the walls are gold. The camera was not set to white. The camera's white scale was set to beige..an old trick we used to do in the studio to make footage look aged or "homemade"), the audio doesn't line up...approx. 5 seconds worth of screaming before the attack, and multiple edit cuts...This video is a hack job. I'd like to know if the Berg's got to physically see their son before he was buried.

Christy

Allen at 5


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(5/16/2004 6:24:03 AM)



 Re: Re: Beheading of Nick Berg
I'd like to know why "his" body was flown into a USAF base when he wasn't in any way associated with the US military and his parents weren't allowed to be there when it arrived. Allen
Swedishoo
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(5/16/2004 6:58:30 PM)




 Holes Holes Holes
I think it's odd for him to be over there in the first place and a couple years prior let terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui -- the only person publicly charged in the United States in connection with the September 11, 2001, terror attacks -- know his computer's password. What's with that? Nick Berg's  business, Prometheus Methods Tower Svc. Inc. recently involved with communication towers in Iraq and previously taught how to make bricks. Huh? Making bricks and erecting antennas on towers? What a slap in the face. One of the oldest countries in the world, constructing buildings far advanced than the "brick", master of domes and mosaic, is not going to need some American kid teaching them how to make a brick. The media says Berg gave a brick presses to Third World nations, Kenya and Ghana prior to going to Iraq. But what is so odd to me is a picture of Berg infront his telecomunication businness sign, in America, demonstrating at a convention. Maybe he was making "gold" bricks?
 


And what's with these towers? An America contract to work on communication towers? The kid is Jewish and his father is antiwar and partial owner of Berg's business? Sorry, not buying any of this. Holes Holes Holes everywhere. I'm really beginning to believe the holes are inteneded for a purpose.

Christy
Allen at 5


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(5/16/2004 7:37:31 PM)



 Re: Holes Holes Holes
Masonry huh? Can you see this as clearly as I do Christy, I'll just bet you can. I note his family business has an amazing lack of a paper trail of any sort with both the Feds and the State in which his family resides. The business with the bricks is almost as absurd as them teaching Adobe techniques in Mexico or South America. Note the towers and bricks bit- can you say Tower of Babel? Remember Hiram Abif was the master Mason slain by the profane for which they (Masons) sought vengence. Replay here on a minor key? Amazing stuff. Allen PS: Note how lite colored his hair is in the "brick" bit. My hair is kinda that shade, if I am out in the sun a lot it turns lighter. Now I ask you if this dude was out in the desert sun in Iraq for weeks working outside on telecom towers, don't you think his hair and beard (if any) would be nearly blond instead of the near black shown on the "execution" clip? Plus his skin isn't tanned either.
Swedishoo
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(5/16/2004 7:48:17 PM)




 Re: Re: Holes Holes Holes

Something is fishy here. They say he once bought a brick press in Kenya for the poor villagers and taught them how to make bricks, but here he is demonstating bricks at the convention with his telecomunications sign behind him.

I have pictures to show the board how Berg does not look like the decapated victim, but I'd have to start a new thread stating a warning to give those who do not want to view them the option of not opening the thread. What do you think?

Christy


Swedishoo
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(5/16/2004 7:51:54 PM)




 Re: Holes Holes Holes
Very good points Al. In the close-up of the decapatation, the victim's hair is a very dark brown and skin is very pale.
Swedishoo
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(5/16/2004 7:55:25 PM)




 Nick Berg
Here's a picture of Berg at another convention.


Swedishoo
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(5/16/2004 7:58:59 PM)




 Tower of Babel
Yes, truly a Tower of  Babel.
Swedishoo
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(5/16/2004 8:09:48 PM)




 Re: Tower of Babel
Hmmm, a good name for a Godzilla movie....

"Wag the Roman Dog Bush climbs the Tower of Babel"

(gee, I may need to make one of my photo shop pictures again...the visuals are flooding my mind)

Christy
Allen at 5


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(5/16/2004 8:11:05 PM)



 Re: Re: Re: Holes Holes Holes
Swedishoo wrote on 5/16/2004 1:48:17 PM:

Something is fishy here. They say he once bought a brick press in Kenya for the poor villagers and taught them how to make bricks, but here he is demonstating bricks at the convention with his telecomunications sign behind him.

I have pictures to show the board how Berg does not look like the decapated victim, but I'd have to start a new thread stating a warning to give those who do not want to view them the option of not opening the thread. What do you think?

Christy


I'd do it, post haste. He doesn't (to me) look anything like the dude in the "beheading" clip. I wonder if they have a guillotine in stock at the Abu Graib prison? This whole thing stinks like the bilge of an old shrimp boat in the summer heat. Allen