Swedishoo from Chemtrail and Company III Patrick Minnis and David Larimer Posted 8-10-2001 23:31 Greg, I went to the thread over there at Marks. I read it when it was first written too. Minnis and Larimer (reporter from my above post from Florida Today) say almost the same words with the exception of: "However, the 'hole-punch' features were aligned north/south. This suggests that there was some sort of 'wave' in the atmosphere that was causing rising/sinking air couplets" Now that these photos show the beginning stages of a vortex cloud punch it makes one wonder being that you can actually see it "round" up from itself...NOT from the heat of a jet's engines going through a cloud. Greg, look at those pictures again. You can see that the form is being made INTO the sky, not having cloud mass being removed. I'm a faux artist, and it's the same way when applying a transparent glaze ON the wall. Technique number 1 is to apply the glaze on the wall using rag, sponge, whatever. Technique number 2 is by putting a glaze on the wall and removing it OFF. Gives two different looks even though the material is the same. Personally, IMO, I believe there is a connection to these Hole Punches and to the Crop Circles that are popping up in the US everywhere (as well as everywhere else too, of course)

Swedishoo from Chemtrail and Company III Gar, And Another Thought Too Posted 8-10-2001 23:39 Gar, that is a very good possibility. I, also along the same line, thought of, ...what if the trails that have formed into a milk-whitened sky (false clouds) and the chemical particles or metalics within are being utilized and manipulated to form these odd vortexs from another source. Just more food for thought Christy

Swedishoo from Chemtrail and Company III Sabre ~ Welcome Posted 8-10-2001 23:55 Sabre, welcome to the board. I'm glad to see you posting again. You always have had a wealth of information to share. I did receive your e-mail, went to your sites and spent a long time there. The scalar research is plentiful and I could spend many more hours over there. You always were a great researcher. Forgive me for not writing back. It wasn't intentional. Actually I planned to write you about the huge radar ring that covered all of Florida, a few weeks back and is under the Weather Section here. Please take a look. I know in the past we had disagreements. Let's put that behind us now and I welcome you to our forum. Please feel comfortable posting. I value your research and always have. Christy

garflorida from Chemtrail and Company III Reasons for Hole Punch clouds Posted 8-11-2001 01:47 Christy, the photos that you showed were the first I've seen of this type of "cloud", without a sheet of natural clouds being punched through. There was also a trail near the cloud. Looking at the other pics where the cloud sinks through a lower deck, there is what looks like a straight line at the bottom most part of the cloud. As I have said before, this issue may not be as complicated as most make it out to be. I think this could be the result of a malfunction from planes that are spraying US. BTW, maybe it's just me, but I don't recall this "hole punch" as ever being shown or described under the many types of possible cloud formations. [ This message was edited by: garflorida on: 8-11-2001 01:43 ]

Swedishoo from Chemtrail and Company III Some with Tails and Other clouds Posted 8-11-2001 02:06 Yeah, the ones from the top looks like they have a tail. Looks like a horseshoe crab (only we'll know what that is...lol) The one in the progression shots don't have a tail, but chemtrails are near them. I've seen something very odd, twice now...round flat clouds...as if they were carved out of ivory, with perfectly smooth edges and perectly round. I also watched as Chemtrails went around a huge cloud mass. Made rings around it. Looked like Saturn. Also, we saw red lightening at night around 9:30pm last week. LOTS of weird stuff lately. I've been having horrible computer problems and getting strange phone calls. Got one today that when I answered a RECORDING said, "I'm sorry, I dialed the wrong number". Christy [ This message was edited by: Swedishoo on: 8-11-2001 02:03 ]

charley135fl [guest] from Chemtrail and Company III Hole Punch Clouds Posted 8-11-2001 03:55 Hey Christy and all, Just saw your post on CTTUSA and popped over. Perhaps I can help with some info on these pics from Florida Today as I witnessed the event and originally posted the link to the pics and articles on CTTUSA. It was picked up by a few sites such as Orbit etc. from there. Ok...this is what the sky situation was that day; We were under a heavy chem cover. The "clouds" in the photos were not clouds but cottage cheese looking chem. I was watching the sky on my way to work that morning and was thinking that they must be using some kind of pulse technology to spred the chem out because of the way it rippled. By the time I got to work I was really checking it out and took my camera with me inside. I walked back outside and watched a plane leaving a short, low chemtrail and then was amazed to see the hole opening up and sucking the chemtrail right down through it like a funnel cloud. There were a couple of these hole punch clouds and I snapped some photos so I do have some pictures of these same holes as in the pics above but from a different angle as I was a couple of miles NW of the NEXRAD site where the newspaper photos were taken. I posted what I was seeing right away on CTTUSA (Thurs Nov 12 I think) because it was so remarkable looking and then when I saw these photos in the Sunday paper, I posted the link to the article. Now from that posting on CTTUSA, we discovered something interesting...they state in the article that the jet stream played a part in the formation of these clouds but Kanuck did a search and confirmed that the jet stream was NOT over FL at the time these photos were taken. I did find it very suspect that they mention "cloud seeding". I have witnessed the hole punch clouds a few times since this Nov. sighting, most recently about 3 weeks ago. I really feel that HAARP or something of that nature is resposible for the formation of these holes. Anyway, hope that sheds some light on the conversation. Charley

Swedishoo from Chemtrail and Company III Charley ! ~ Welcome Posted 8-11-2001 04:43 Hey girl!! Good to see you. I'm so glad you popped over. When you said how the hole open and sucked the chem-mess in...I think that's why Dr. Rohe called them vortexs, like a funnel. Speaking of HAARP, I found another interesting organization...and they're world-wide... called EISCAT.

signa777 from Chemtrail and Company III forgot to add Posted 8-11-2001 05:16 Current radar is posted for each week on these two pages http://coeptus.homestead.com/Coeptus2.html http://coeptus.homestead.com/coeptusII2.html There is info on the International Geophysical Year and all of the ionospheric heaters here http://coeptus.homestead.com/coeptusII3.html Thanks for the welcome...As I said in the email,the answer finally came in regards to the "rings". No more mystery remains aside from what they incorporated or found in the NEXRAD that works to somewhat defend us against these scalar gamma radiation pulses...and of course which enemy country is hitting us as they did today (Cannon AFB New Mexico and Lubbock, Texas) We do know that at least hostile nations have these scalar howitzers and at least one ally nation. It's CYA big time again...with the push for SDI etc. Keep your eyes wide open as many of the flashes and booms etc...is grid adjustment & these incidents are also escalating. I won't post much...have 5 websites to maintain, the radar monitoring and a daily news page on top of the daily grind (and this time of year in the midst of a created drought...watering from 10PM until 4 AM) Good thing I am retired !! Let me know how to post gifs ...

shield from Chemtrail and Company III Signa777 Posted 8-11-2001 17:53 Go to the topics, the last topic is called 'COMPANY SOCIAL' open it up then open 'Posting URL and Photos'.There you will find out how to post gifs, jpgs. Also I have included several online sites, that will give you much more info on HTML.

Lulu from Chemtrail and Company III new hole punch pics Posted 8-12-2001 20:27 Christy, the new hole-punch pictures you posted are wicked! I find this phenomenon fascinating. The pictures seem to contradict the supposed explaination from Dr. Patrick Minnis of how these clouds form. Keep up the excellent work on this great site you have here!

Swedishoo from Chemtrail and Company III Thanks LuLu Posted 8-12-2001 20:45 Thanks LuLu, not only do the pictures contradict Minnis as mentioned, but yet another eyewitness, our own Charley, has now watched from start to finish how these hole punches come to be. When I first read Minnis's report of how and why these "rare" (although have never been seen until lately...and quite common now, I might add) account of hole punches...I thought it seemed logical and actually thought it was true until I saw and heard what is really going on. There's more than Chemtrails being hushed up. There seems to be a scientific explosion of testing going on that is being kept covert. Christy