Chemtrail and Company IV ... Chemtrail and Chemtrail Related Archive ...... Chemtrails ~ Soundings Login | Register Page 1 Author Comment Swedishoo Admin Posts: 690 (3/27/2004 5:09:33 AM)  Chemtrails ~ Soundings Chemtrails kilohana from Chemtrail and Company III Chemtrails Posted 7-25-2001 01:01 Do you think the subject of chemtrails is a bit over-done? Not referencing this board, but the subject in general; don't you think any subject that draws this many nuts has got to be a bit squirrely? The path to truth is a long and winding road. Swedishoo from Chemtrail and Company III Chemtrails ~ Posted 7-25-2001 02:29 Kilohana, welcome to the new forum. Glad to have you. Well, you touched on a good question. Do Chemtrail forums draw more than their share of nuts? Ratio wise, I'd say no more than any other unexplained subject. But the question here, is what would catagorize a person as being nutso if they saw something. For example, let's say you saw with your own eyes a space craft, unlike any we know. And let's say you believe in aliens from other planets, as many people do. Now, let's say you seek out a forum to see if other's saw what you did, and sure enough, you discover that thousands are also at these forums. Not only do you no longer feel alone, but you'd like to know, just what did you see? Now, I personally do not believe in life from other planets...and that's the beauty of it. I am one end of the UFO line and those who believe reptilians are walking amounst us, cloaked as humans, would be the other end of the spectrum. Chemtrails, also with unknown factors, has it's extreme viewpoints as well. But that does not make one viewpoint wise or one viewpoint squirrely. See, and that's the exact issue I'm trying to overcome at these message boards...a division. There are TOO MANY lurkers. Either becasue they don't want to be catorized as a nut, or they are too afraid to publically speak due to thinking their viewpoint is not important enough, or not scientific enough. That's what I want to avoid, feeling of status. Everyone at this board is equal...and those that know me, know how important it is to be able to express one's self comfortably without fear and to uphold Freedom of Speech. Welcome to the Board. Christy ~ Swedishoo garflorida from Chemtrail and Company III chemtrails are real Posted 7-25-2001 15:01 Just because this issue attracts many "nuts" does not make it any less valid. If you have any doubts that chemtrails exist, educate yourself on atmospheric soundings. You will find these so called vapor trails lingering under conditions aloft that are FAR too ARID for that to be possible. It's unfortunate that there are so many "far out" beliefs linked to chemtrails. It's frustrating to see some of their posts. For example, there are many now who believe that every above or below temperture and every storm is caused by "THEM". Those who jump on this bandwagon of extreme thinking are making all of us chemtrail believers look bad. kilohana from Chemtrail and Company III chemtrails Posted 7-25-2001 16:23 I hope you don't think my remark was intended to be confrontational. I've been lurking, as you say, on these message boards for some time now after hearing the subject on the Coast to Coast am show with Art Bell, and I became interested. The first message board I found on the subject was Chemtrail Central, and then later the Carnicom board, and it just seems that the same people report day after day making the same unproven conclusions. I haven't posted my opinions (until now) because I realized that any differing opinion on those boards would just create an angry exchange, as I've seen so many times, but I felt somewhat more at ease speaking my mind here for some reason. You don't seem the type who's interested in just making flaming exchanges, Swedishoo. Perhaps I shouldn't judge the subject of chemtrails by who participates in it, but it's hard not to. Most of the people on these boards seem to be cut from the same cloth or something. I think the debunkers have some very valid arguments, but the true believers just seem to ignore them, and I don't know how a person discovers truth that way. garflorida from Chemtrail and Company III kilohana Posted 7-25-2001 16:44 This is not like the other boards. I don't know where you stand on the issue, but please share your views. You won't find the same "herd" mentality here. Swedishoo from Chemtrail and Company III Free Range Thinkers Posted 7-25-2001 18:44 I am so glad you feel comfortable posting here. That's what I want for everyone...a place to say what's on your mind without being jumped on. Some may not know this, but I'm a Chemtrail surfer. I keep an eye on what's going on at all the boards...including the skeptic boards. I like to keep an open ear and an open mind. Yes, you are right Kilo, many skeptics pose great questions...but I have discovered, that even most skeptics enjoy the banter rather than trying to work together. I could give numerous examples where when speaking with a chemtrail skeptic, they would rather name call or drop the subject when you hit the head on a nail. Look at ChickieDeb's forum. All it really is, is a "Talk Soup" of the other chemtrail boards...just making fun of the wacko of the week. I read her board and some of it is really funny, but I wouldn't take it serious being that her posters and board is based on mocking chemtrail activist. It's a shame cause Deb is a very smart lady. I don't know if you've visited our first board, but others know that I don't promote anything that is of propaganda. Those stupid "Mechanic Letter's" for example, I avoid weird stuff. Sure, things may be talked about, but it takes a LOT of proof for me to believe in something. I can totally understand how a person can be skeptic, and I respect their opinions as well. But I tell ya, over the past two and a half years, there has been sooo many questions left unanswered. Here's one...and being recently... How can contrails form in Oklahoma and northern Texas with a humitity level of 30 percent and 95-105 degree tempatures? They can't. So why are they seen? No one will answer this type of question. Christy kilohana from Chemtrail and Company III Chemtrails Posted 7-28-2001 05:41 Well one obvious argument I've heard for high altitude contrails where the temperatures are over 100 at the ground level, would be that the temperatures are simply low enough at 30 thousand feet for them to occur. As for the humidity, well it too could be high enough relative to the temperature for contrail formation. It would be hard to tell if you were seeing something out of the ordinary without taking an upper air sounding. Do you believe that chemtrails are designed to make people sick? I find this to be the least credible theory. Swedishoo from Chemtrail and Company III With High Altitude Trails Posted 7-28-2001 06:10 Yes, this would be the case with high (over 30 thousand feet) formations...but not lower ones. I do not even consider noting trails higher than 25 thousand feet...and I'm in Florida. garflorida from Chemtrail and Company III altitude, temperature, and humidity Posted 7-28-2001 14:31 Here in Florida, during the summer, the temp. does not reach -40c (the required temp. for a contrail to form, for even the smallest length of time) until well above 30,000 ft. When you see how many summer days we have, with so called lingering contrails covering the sky, you know something just doesn't add up. This is with out even taking into account the low relative humidity at those altitudes (less than 70%). garflorida from Chemtrail and Company III SOUNDINGS Posted 7-28-2001 14:59 If you want to know temperature and dewpoint aloft, here is a site for soundings..... www-frd.fsl.noaa.gov/mab/soundings/ .....Enter your airport code, (for example, TPA for Tampa). Note the altitude/temp/dewpoint table, below the graph. When you see a temp-dewpoint seperation of more than 4 degrees, the relative humidity is already well below the 70% required for a contrail to linger. You will see "contrails" linger on days when the conditions are not right. garflorida from Chemtrail and Company III relative humidity Posted 7-28-2001 16:34 If you want to figure out thr RH for any given altitude from the soundings, here is a calculator....thor.cira.colostate.edu/humid.html