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| Once again, Bush tells the sheeple what they want to hear
| garflorida from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Once again, Bush tells the sheeple what they want to hear |
 Posted 3-2-2004 15:42 |
During a speech on the one year anniversary of the Homeland Security Department, Bush continues to tell us that "the Iraqi people are now free" and that we are "winning the war on terrorism". Gee Mr. Bush, your words make me feel so proud! Let's take our latest look at post-war Iraq, shall we? click here | |
| garflorida from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| We can't forget the "war on drugs". |
Posted 3-2-2004 19:30 |
Now that we've invaded Afghanistan, they are #1 in the opium, heroin, and morphine business, which NEARLY DOUBLED between 2002 and 2003. click here [ This message was edited by: garflorida on: 3-2-2004 19:28 ] | |
| Cyclone from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Powerful signs we are winning... |
Posted 3-2-2004 20:58 |
Typical Gar. Are you blaming Bush for this Al-Qaida linked attack on Muslims, Gar? (Hint; this example of a complete lack of logic is why the left is failing miserably).
I mean lets look what leftists like Gar are saying....and let's look at reality first;
Muslim fundamentalist extremists linked to Al-Qaida (in other words, true Muslims) commit suicide bombings killing 100s of other Muslims in an attempt to spark a war between the Sunnis and Shiites, for the sole purpose of creating chaos to make American occupation in Iraq look like a failure. In other words, this is Muslim on Muslim act of terrorism (that Gar somehow wants to blame on Bush). But why are we in Iraq? Well, to destroy the terrorist threat where it lives (as I keep telling the leftists).....These bombings are the acts of the VERY terrorist threat we are seeking to destroy! So Gar's solution is to pull out and let them win!????? The irrationality here is mind boggling.
To me, when I see bombings like this, possibly linked to Al-Qaida, it illustrates EXACTLY the kind of threat that we are up against. It reinforces our mission for being there, and emphasizes that this threat is still real, and still able to organize. This means the fight is not over and GW's plan is more essential now than ever, and that's to destroy the terrorist threat where it lives before it comes here. And yes, we are making incredible progress, but as GW said, this war on terror is going to be a long one...perhaps lasting 10 to 20 years. There can be only one objective, and that is to keep fighting until the threat is destroyed. To stop would be to let it win.
So when I see these bombings that, first of all, demonstrates the link between terrorist groups and Hussein's regime, I`m reminded as to why we are there in the first place.... These people (if you can call the terrorist animal a person) have the same goal as Gar...They want Americans out. It was no accident that these bombings occurred just a DAY or two days after the new Iraqi government announced it's new temporary (interim) constitution that sounds remarkably like our own. These terrorists do not want Iraq becoming a democracy and the attempts to spark civil war is an example of their desperation and abject terror they feel about a free Iraq. Think about what this means....MUSLIMS ARE KILLING MUSLIMS, because they fear Democracy and freedom like they fear nothing else, because they thrive on chaos and death. These are EXACTLY the same people who flew airplanes into our buildings on 9/11. They are under the command of Satan...THEY ARE the ones we are there to destroy. They are the ones we are there to fight.
And Gar Blames Bush for addressing the problem and taking on the fight. We are still at war Gar! I don't know how many times it takes repeating this to get that across to you. The bombing of Iraq was just a battle. The bombings by our enemy we are there to fight should be evidence to you that our enemy is still there, and should tell you that now, more than ever, we should be fighting that enemy because to turn tail and run now would be to allow it to win.
It's hard to fight your enemy when it cowers in shadows, as terrorists do...but each time they attack, they reveal more about their location and operation, and they become more and more vulnerable to their own destruction. These bombings, more than EVER, should reinforce the purpose for which we are there. This is the actual enemy we are fighting...and they are becoming desperate, and disorganized to the point that they are now attacking fellow Muslims. I'd say that is a strong symptom of US success. Their destruction and implosion will come when they realize they cannot make US troops leave, but only strengthen US resolve. And when that democracy is formed, and Iraqi police and army forces are built back up...and borders are closed and made less porous, these bombings will be more and more difficult to pull off....but it is easier to fight a shadowy enemy, when the shadowy enemy comes to you, as they are now coming to Iraq, rather than a search and destroy mission in other countries. I'd say these attacks are a powerful sign of growing US success on the true war we are there to fight and which we are still fighting............the war on terror. | |
| garflorida from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Just A SYMPTOM OF US SUCCESS ?? |
Posted 3-2-2004 21:51 |
Are you fu#king serious about what you said? I still can't believe I read this! On one hand, you post about "The Passion of the Christ" and the teachings of Jesus. You then make such a foolish statement, calling the wide spread post war deaths of Iraqi citizens and growth of terrorism a "symptom of US success"? What kind of regard do you really have for human life? Because of the war on Iraq, we NOW have a breeding ground for terrorists and complete CHAOS like never before. Maybe you should take the time to think before coming up with such stupid remarks. I thought I've heard it all but this one takes the cake! Troll on. | |
| Cyclone from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Hopeless and Clueless as usual |
Posted 3-2-2004 22:55 |
Human life was taken by the terrorists, Gar...The US is eliminating those who are taking human life. My regard for human life could not be more profoundly evident in the fact that I advocate the destruction of the destroyer of human life.
It's very simple; you want to pull out of Iraq and allow the terrorist threat to propagate and go on to kill millions. I want to eliminate the threat by stopping those who kill others at the source. The US didn't make this gratuitous attack on the Muslim holy day...the US is trying to prevent this. The Iraqis now are not blaming the US for causing the attacks. They are blaming the US for not offering enough protection. If you want to talk about extreme stupidity, then I think stupidity is evident in the fact that you don't seem to know who the enemy is, and who is attacking.
If Jesus were alive today, and wanted to kill Satan, who comes in the form of a terrorist, you would undoubtedly be the first to admonish Jesus for having no respect for human life because in your view, those who are fighting the terrorist threat are on the wrong side.
I explained VERY clearly why the desperate bombings we are seeing now are a sign the US is getting close to success. These attacks are a last ditch effort to prevent what terrorists fear most from happening...freedom and democracy. This means the US is getting closer to this objective in Iraq, than they (terrorists) are comfortable with. If you can't understand that point which I made very clearly, and want to twist it into something else I'm not saying (as if I was saying the loss of human life is the US objective...which I'm clearly NOT saying).. then I question your intelligence.. | |
| Cyclone from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| As you'd expect from puppets dancing on Satan's strings, they don't understand the guy with the scissors is not the enemy? |
Posted 3-3-2004 00:19 |
"The Iraqis now are not blaming the US for causing the attacks. "
Just an addendum to say that this is a bit of an erroneous statement on my part...well maybe some Iraqis ARE blaming the US for causing these attacks, because they can't accept the fact that fellow Muslims would do this do them. Interesting paradox they are now in of at the same time accusing those American's who came to help them and administer first aid, while at the same time blaming those same Americans for not protecting them. Nothing unusual or surprising there about this irrational psychology however. Most Muslims can't accept the true nature of Mohammed and Islam. If they can be in so much denial of the truth of the demonic nature of their own religion, then why would we expect them to be any less in denial about the truth of their enemy? You wouldn't expect unwitting pawns to question their master. Those under Satan's spell of deception can't be expected to see truth and be aware of their own manipulation.
Interesting that Gar places the blame on George W Bush, America and American forces, just as some of those misguided Iraqis. Appears Gar, is under the same dark spell..... | |
| Swedishoo from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Bullsh*t Bullsh*t and more Bullsh*t |
Posted 3-3-2004 02:14 |
Jason I'm sorry, but your thinking is so perversely twisted it's beyond belief.
Paaaalllease, you dont think your boy BushyBones had anything to do with destroying Iraq? Well, think again. Bush/Cheney and Co. had this PLANNED long ago and they are NOT finished. Everything was lined up perfectly so they didn't have to go through Congress!!!! Did you forget that Congress has to declare war? Well not so, by witnessing the riff-raff GESTAPO government we have now controlling the Executive branch of OUR freakin country. You want to know who is the blame? I'll tell you. WE ARE. I'll say it again. WE ARE, as we sit comfortably numb infront of our laptop computers and television sets making big deals over what Hollywood movie stars wear to the freakin Oscars. Ohhhhh, but let HomeLand Security move right on in and over-rule our Consitution and we change the channel...to a channel debating about homosexual marriages. Arg. We get what we deserve.
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| Swedishoo from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Not Finished |
Posted 3-3-2004 02:43 |
Shit, I'm not finished. Who the hell do you think you are telling Gar that he's under some dark spell? Just what authority do you have? Let me tell you some little known facts Jason...Geo Bush is NOT Iraq's savior. AND...YOU don't know who is under "Satan's spell of deception".
"The Iraqis now are not blaming the US for causing the attacks. They are blaming the US for not offering enough protection."
This too is garbage. They're saying, GO HOME U.S. and leave us to pick up our dead.
We're over there CLEARING THE LAND!! Bombing everyday regular houses and buildings of civilan Iraqis. And after we clear out Haiti, which won't take too long...then we'll go back to the Middle East and wipe out Syria and Iran. Go take a look at your world map folks and find all the Third World Countries near waterways. Those are the countries we'll be targeting next.
Hail to King George
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| Cyclone from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Christy hates conservative thought..... |
Posted 3-3-2004 03:39 |
"Jason I'm sorry, but your thinking is so perversely twisted it's beyond belief."
I don't think so. I think my thinking is logical, honest and completely moral and ethical.
"Paaaalllease, you dont think your boy BushyBones had anything to do with destroying Iraq?"
No. I think Saddam Hussein destroyed Iraq. The people of Iraq destroyed Iraq by allowing him to do so. GW Bush, in his expert command of the US military saved Iraq, and quite possibly, is well on it's way to ridding the world of the Islamic terrorist threat. It is not perhaps a completely winnable war, but loss is a certainty if it is not fought.
"Well, think again. Bush/Cheney and Co. had this PLANNED long ago and they are NOT finished."
YOU think? You only THINK? Well, this is an unsubstantiated belief of yours that is not based on reality or factual evidence, isn't it. I consider this type of thinking perverse.
"Everything was lined up perfectly so they didn't have to go through Congress!!!! "
Bush went through Congress....twice I believe. The Dems even wanted a third time.
"Did you forget that Congress has to declare war?"
Congressional authorization to use force is a practical and quite literal declaration of war for all intents and purposes. Congress authorized Bush to use force, and the Bush administration was in full compliance with the powers set forth in the joint resolutions War Powers act. I believe Bush did not even resort to using executive initiative, or executive orders as Klintoon did.
"Well not so, by witnessing the riff-raff GESTAPO government we have now controlling the Executive branch of OUR freakin country. "
Completely baseless and unjustified statement. Riff-raff Gestapo government is not even a term that applies to anything even approaching truth or reality.
"?You want to know who is the blame? I'll tell you. WE ARE. I'll say it again. WE ARE, as we sit comfortably numb infront of our laptop computers and television sets making big deals over what Hollywood movie stars wear to the freakin Oscars. Ohhhhh, but let HomeLand Security move right on in and over-rule our Consitution and we change the channel...to a channel debating about homosexual marriages. Arg. We get what we deserve."
Uh, the fact that Bush HAS to amend the constitution to define marriage is a sad state of affairs indeed. He would not have to propose such an amendment if liberal/leftist activist judges were not effectively amending the constitution by legislating from the bench. Sad state of affairs the enemy within has put us in, so Bush needs to address this liberal attack on America. Thank God for Bush. Thank God we have a president who is finally fighting these un-elected bozos installed by leftists into the judicial branch in an effort to destroy the country from within.
"Shit, I'm not finished. Who the hell do you think you are telling Gar that he's under some dark spell? Just what authority do you have? Let me tell you some little known facts Jason...Geo Bush is NOT Iraq's savior. AND...YOU don't know who is under "Satan's spell of deception". "
Look at the reasons I gave for suggesting Gar is under the same dark spell as those Iraqis blaming America. All you have to do is read what I clearly said to understand the point. They are blinded from seeing who their true enemy is (referring to the recent suicide bombings, to be specific). Their fellow Muslims blow Muslims up on their holy day, and they blame America...THAT'S the dark spell I'm talking about. Gar agrees with them and is therefore under the same influence.
"This too is garbage. They're saying, GO HOME U.S. and leave us to pick up our dead. "
You're not watching the same news I'm watching then? They're blaming the US for not providing enough protection. If we leave Iraq, a million Iraqis are dead guaranteed, and terrorism has won, and the next attack will kill a million US citizens. No, I think leaving now would be stupid and insane beyond belief, when Iraq is on the verge of becoming a Democracy and installing a constitution that provides for the fundamental rights of the people of Iraq . The message you're listening to is from terrorists themselves. It's what THEY (terrorists) want. OF COURSE, they don't want us there..Well too damn bad! It's a bad time to be a terrorist..
"We're over there CLEARING THE LAND!! Bombing everyday regular houses and buildings of civilan Iraqis"
Muslims do this...The US doesn't intentionally bomb buildings of civilian Iraqis. Muslim terrorists are currently bombing their own.
"And after we clear out Haiti, which won't take too long...then we'll go back to the Middle East and wipe out Syria and Iran. Go take a look at your world map folks and find all the Third World Countries near waterways. Those are the countries we'll be targeting next."
Hey, I'm all for taking out Syria and Iran, but I think we'll do it in ways other than outright war, unless they attack the US or it`s allies first. With Saddam, we had just cause...11 or so years of broken resolutions, an invasion of a sovereign nation. We had reason for going into Iraq and taking down Saddam's regime, but with Syria and Iran, we'll have to use more stealthy methods. Like I said, with Saudi Arabia, we'll probably break the back of terrorist organizations there through economic means refusal to purchase Saudi oil, by getting the Iraqi oil fields up and running. Like I said, not all battles in this war on terror will be fought with bullets and bombs. We've got the hub, now time to concentrate on the satellite countries. | |
| Swedishoo
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(3/26/2004 4:34:01 AM)
| Re: Once again, Bush tells the sheeple what they want to hear
| JAK from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Humorous |
Posted 3-3-2004 04:53 |
Oh, you mean like the captured "Al Quida" that turned out to be Israeli Mossad? You mean like those guys?
Grins,
Allen | |
| Cyclone from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| The Center of the Wheel of terrorism |
Posted 3-3-2004 05:01 |
I think more significant than water ways is looking at what terrorist countries surround Iraq. Can you see that geographically speaking, Iraq is the central hub. Now Imagine the effect a democracy (free republic, if you prefer that term) would have in the center, the heart of the Middle East. Free Capitalistic countries generally do not breed terrorism. The current world wide terrorist threat is the product of fundamental Islamic culture and belief, where within these totalitarian cultures, the religion and interpretation thereof by Mullahs and Clerics IS the law.
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| Swedishoo
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(3/26/2004 4:35:30 AM)
| Re: Once again, Bush tells the sheeple what they want to hear
| JAK from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Whew! |
Posted 3-3-2004 05:04 |
"I don't think so. I think my thinking is logical, honest and completely moral and
ethical."
I'm glad you do, because nobody else does.
Congress failed totally in their responsibilities and the ultimate fault is that of the American people. Bushco had absolutely NO authority whatsoever under either the Constitution or international law to do what he did, PERIOD. Much as you might hate that fact, you'd better get used to it- it is the truth.
Like all the rest of the chickenhawks that think killing other people is a great idea just as long as somebody else does it for them, your credibility level is almost as high as a pile of ant poop.
Allen | |
| Yaak from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| IRAQ WAR WAS PLANNED IN 1998 |
Posted 3-3-2004 05:12 |
"Riff-raff Gestapo government is not even a term that applies to anything even approaching truth or reality."
Really? Ever heard of the PATRIOT Acts and how they are being used against the citizens of this country?
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`"Well, think again. Bush/Cheney and Co. had this PLANNED long ago and they are NOT finished."
YOU think? You only THINK? Well, this is an unsubstantiated belief of yours that is not based on reality or factual evidence, isn't it. I consider this type of thinking perverse.'
Perverse substantiation:
IRAQ WAR WAS PLANNED IN 1998 - FOUR YEARS BEFORE 9/11
Letter Written In 1998 By Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz Shows That Their Plan To Preemptively Attack Iraq Was Made Before Bush Took Office
http://www.moderateindependent.com/v1i16iraqwar.htm
Bush Sought `Way' To Invade Iraq?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml
O'Neill: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/ | |
| JAK from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| BS ultimo... |
Posted 3-3-2004 05:16 |
"Capitalistic countries generally do not breed terrorism."
Oh, you mean like the Japanse Red Army that shot up the Rome airport in 1985, or the Italian Red Brigades, or the Irish Republican Army? You mean those "capitalist" countries and their associated terrorists? Like those guys- all of whom are NOT Muslims, hmmmmm???
Allen | |
| Cyclone from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Al, the Chicken Hawk |
Posted 3-3-2004 05:25 |
You do not think terrorists should be killed, Al? Those are the only people (and I use that term loosely) that I have advocated killing because I think that's the only valid way of stopping them. These are mass murderers, not innocent civilians. How would you deal with the threat Al? Have you fought in a war? Have you ever had to take a life? If not, then by your own logic, you have no business talking about it. I don't happen to subscribe to that ridiculous way of thinking.
Bush had constitutional authority to conduct this war because he received authorization from Congress....twice, as I said. He also had international authorization given by the fraudulent organization of corrupt scoundrels known as the UN (although I don't think that was necessary at all).
In fact, Bush was not acting in violation of international law. He was ENFORCING international law, specifically, UN resolution 1441. | |
| JAK from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Disgusting lies... |
Posted 3-3-2004 05:27 |
"Human life was taken by the terrorists, Gar...The US is eliminating those who are taking human life.
My regard for human life could not be more profoundly evident in the fact that I advocate the
destruction of the destroyer of human life."
I'm absolutely sure that the 12 year old Iraqi boy who had both his arms blown off and his entire family killed by US bombs would appreciate your "feelings" and agree with you Cy- why don't you go tell him that? Let us know what he says...
Allen | |
| Cyclone from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| I love Presidents with plans |
Posted 3-3-2004 05:31 |
Yaak,
You have to realize that every responsible administration has a contingency plan for war with EVERY country. We undoubtedly have a plan for dealing with Canadian or Mexican aggression, as well. I would hope the plan with Iraq was well thought out, because it was easy to foresee that it was going to have to be dealt with sooner or later. To ignore it, and not have a well constructed plan would have been almost.......Clintonian. | |
| JAK from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Wrong yet again |
Posted 3-3-2004 05:34 |
Where is YOUR M-16A2 and desert kit Junior?
Bushco WAS in violation of international law- Iraq had NO WMDs and that was known full well before the "war" began. Both he and Congress violated the Constitution in any case- end of story.
You want to kill "terrorists"? Start right here at home, and the majority are NOT Muslims.
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| Cyclone from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Faulty argument Al |
Posted 3-3-2004 05:37 |
"I'm absolutely sure that the 12 year old Iraqi boy who had both his arms blown off and his entire family killed by US bombs would appreciate your "feelings" and agree with you Cy- why don't you go tell him that? Let us know what he says..."
I read your post on this boy Al, but this is an obviously facetious and invalid argument. Obviously, if we had the technology, we would make sure our bombs hit only military targets. As good as our technology is, we still do not have this capability. It was Saddam's own regime that did this to this poor boy and his family by placing military targets among civilian communities. Any honest person knows that by now. You are not honest, Al. This was the "human shield" tactic that Saddam employed. What happened to that boy was the direct result of the Saddam regime's actions and stands as testimony as to why Saddam had to be removed. | |
| Yaak from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Good Answer Cyclone |
Posted 3-3-2004 05:39 |
I don't buy it, but still a good answer. What bothers me was Dumbfelds and Werewolf's plans for taking over Iraq'a oil. | |
| Cyclone from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Yawn |
Posted 3-3-2004 05:39 |
"Bushco WAS in violation of international law- Iraq had NO WMDs and that was known full well before the "war" began. Both he and Congress violated the Constitution in any case- "
Again, repeating a false statement over and over again, doesn't make it any more true, Al. | |
| Swedishoo
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(3/26/2004 4:37:11 AM)
| Re: Once again, Bush tells the sheeple what they want to hear
| JAK from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Garbage |
Posted 3-3-2004 05:43 |
BULLONEY...
I'd suggest you go try selling your spiel at the local VA hospital. I want to see how long it takes you to heal after having the BLEEP stomped out of you.
Nothing as brave as a chickenhawk. and please do tell me what the boy said to you when you have explained your "position" to him- I'll be waiting to hear. | |
| Cyclone from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Oil |
Posted 3-3-2004 05:44 |
"I don't buy it, but still a good answer. What bothers me was Dumbfelds and Werewolf's plans for taking over Iraq'a oil."
I disagree with the name calling. Rumsfeld is brillian man, approaching genius. Even his critics agree with this.
Think about what you mean by your sentence. What do you mean to imply by Rumsfeld taking over Iraqi oil? Can you be more specific? How do you think he would personally profit, for example. What are the motivations for Iraqi oil? I know the strategic value of Iraqi oil, ...I understand how it can be used. I'm asking what you think you are saying here? | |
| Cyclone from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Al, friend to terrorists everywhere. |
Posted 3-3-2004 05:49 |
There are thousands of Vets who proudly served Al. This is not a question of my bravery. It is not a question of your bravery either, because you are not in Iraq right now getting hand grenades tossed at you.
This boy was a victim of Saddam, and he may not be mentally mature enough to understand that. He is symbolic of the horror that occurs when an evil dictator is allowed to take over a country and put civilians in harm's way as fodder.
It's a matter of defending civilization from the terrorist threat. Your solution is "All war is bad" We should just let terrorist countries proliferate and dominate the world". You are the biggest supporter they have Al. Congratulations! I'm sure Al-Qaida would love you. | |
| JAK from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| BS alert |
Posted 3-3-2004 06:04 |
"Muslims do this...The US doesn't intentionally bomb buildings of civilian Iraqis. Muslim terrorists are
currently bombing their own."
This is an outright lie. This is the same way that Uncle lost the war in SE Asia a generation ago. The US hit civilian targets in Serbia (like blasting the Chinese embassy) during that mess and knew full well what they were doing. From what I have been able to find out- a high percentage of the US military are now so disgusted and angry at the current "administration" that they are teetering on the brink of mutiny. You will NEVER hear this reported in any mainstream media either.
Allen | |
| Cyclone from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Al is good at anti-US propaganda too...Al-Qaida loves ya Al! |
Posted 3-3-2004 07:04 |
The war in Serbia was just an attempt by the Clinton administration to distract from impeachment, so I agree, everything about that war was wrong and evil. Notice the media rarely talks about it though.
I hear the opposite from the military about Iraq however. Most say they are shocked out how negatively and inaccurately the media is portraying the war, when they get stateside. Most are positive about the progress being made, and they are willingly doing their patriotic duty as volunteer soldiers, out of a deep commitment for the United States, and the idea of freedom. Yes it's frustrating, dirty and distasteful work in many cases but most soldiers I've talked with and seen interviewed believe they are doing something good for the people of Iraq. Recruitment has even been up since 9/11. | |
| JAK from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| Nonsense |
Posted 3-3-2004 12:44 |
What planet do you live on Cy?
Nobody believes any of your silliness. Recruitment is WAY down, and the only way Bushco is going to be able to sustain current and projected military commitments is via a draft. Most all the people in the military today outside a very few joined it for reasons that had nothing to do with patriotism. A great many joined for the educational benifits they can get when discharged. Many more do it because under the current Bushco economy- these are the only jobs they can find. Pvt. Jessica Lynch of "Saving Pvt. Jessica" infamy was only one such example.
Military morale has never been lower- many are quitting service as soon as their enlistment is up and not going back. Some aren't even waiting that long and I don't blame them, they have been lied to and used. If you want to see a true friend of terrorists, just take a look in your nearest mirror. All you do in writing your spiel is generate still further anti-American hatred by anybody out there on the 'net who reads it and actually takes it seriously.
I won't even bother with Rumsfelt- he is a worthless jerk of a puppet- nothing more.
Allen | |
| garflorida from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| CY'S PATTERN HAS BECOME TOO PREDICTABLE. |
Posted 3-3-2004 15:48 |
This thread is a perfect example. I bring up the very issue of how post war Iraqi conditions are worse than before, with that nation NOW being infested with terrorists. I then supply an actual reference to back up my point. In a normal healthy debate, one who disagrees with what I've said would argue the SPECIFIC point I've claimed. AGAIN, that being the growing terrorist threat in Iraq and living conditions there are a RESULT of the war. Instead, I'm given vague non-specific reasons for the war, such as "we have to stop terrorism before it spreads" etc. ..... Here's why so many people are sick of having Cy post in their forums. #1) THIS TYPE OF REPLY SIMPLY IGNORES AND FAILS TO ADDRESS THE VERY POINT I HAD MADE IN THE FIRST PLACE. #2) SOON AFTER, THE NAME CALLING AND FALSE ACCUSATIONS START TO FLY. #3) ONCE THIS PATTERN HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED, IT'S THEN POINTLESS TO REPLY TO CY ANYMORE BECAUSE THE RULES OF PROPER CONDUCT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BROKEN BY HIM AND WE'VE BECOME NOTHING MORE THAN HIS BAIT. It comes as no surprise why Cy is disliked by SOOOO many people on the internet. ....... "Just say NO to trolls".
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| Cyclone from Chemtrail and Company III |
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| If Gar was intellectually Honest, He/She'd be talking about the actual subject, instead of making baseless attacks |
Posted 3-3-2004 19:28 |
"This thread is a perfect example. I bring up the very issue of how post war Iraqi conditions are worse than before, with that nation NOW being infested with terrorists."
This is a false premise. You just don't like the fact that I disagree with your false premise. Conditions are better because Saddam Hussein is not killing Iraqi citizens now, and a chance for Democracy is better than not having a chance at all, and living under the thumb of an evil mass murdering dictator is never better than Democracy. You are making a baseless judgment assuming conditions to be worse. How many Iraqis have you talked to in order to arrive at that conclusion? As for terrorism, well that's what we're there to fight. According to Al though, the terrorist threat is not real. Apparently, you and the Iraqis now disagree with him.
"I then supply an actual reference to back up my point."
I read your links. They do not back up your point. Your conclusion is false, irrational and ridiculous, as I have shown.
"In a normal healthy debate, one who disagrees with what I've said would argue the SPECIFIC point I've claimed."
That's EXACTLY what I did. I showed that your premise was baseless. You falsely consider "healthy debate" as only that debate which agrees with your moronic conclusions. Therefore what you are referring to as "debate" is not really debate at all. You don't like the fact that someone is going to call idiocy for what it is, because your mental security is dependent on other idiots agreeing with your idiocy. It rocks your world view and you can't handle someone who does not go along with your stupidity.
"AGAIN, that being the growing terrorist threat in Iraq and living conditions there are a RESULT of the war."
Like I said, this is a false, and I believe intentionally deceptive, premise. Conditions are actually widely reported to be better and GETTING BETTER now, post war. A brutal dictator who killed and brutally tortured a million Iraqis, while raping the citizens of their basic human rights and opportunity, and sent living human beings through plastic shredders is now gone. Only an idiot would believe that's not a good thing! US companies are now rebuilding the infrastructure, and average Iraqis can benefit from the jobs created by their natural resource of oil. Their problem now is the same as our problem...the terrorist threat which is not growing but actually decreasing, simply because we are eliminating the terrorists.
"Instead, I'm given vague non-specific reasons for the war, such as "we have to stop terrorism before it spreads" etc. ....."
I gave you VERY specific reasons...but you'd know that if you actually read my posts. Among these specific reasons for going into Iraq (which I've already mentioned) are the strategic geographical reasons, creating a Democracy in the heart of "terrorist central" (which by the way, is the best cure for terrorism possible, since terrorism is largely a result of Islamic culture, not Democracies), strategically diverting US dependence on OPEC to Iraqi oil to; 1. Build up Iraqi economy and help them make a jump start to a Capitalistic Democracy 2.Break the economic back of the terrorist countries like Saudi Arabia without firing a bullet...Also, I mentioned how Iraq serves as a continuing base for US black ops and special forces operations into the satellite terrorist countries to undermine their governments without all out war. ALSO I mentioned the specific "legal" reasons for the war in Iraq such as Saddam's violation of resolution 1441. And if further outright war is necessary with surrounding countries, the importance of Iraq's strategic geographical location for a US base of operations cannot be over estimated.
These are VERY specific reasons Gar. You may not like the truth when presented so bluntly like that...but they are VERY specific reasons and I can go into as great detail as you wish proving each point I've made. Obviously you don't chose to pursue the path of greater detail because you are now diverting attention with your attack posts on my personal character.
"Here's why so many people are sick of having Cy post in their forums. #1) THIS TYPE OF REPLY SIMPLY IGNORES AND FAILS TO ADDRESS THE VERY POINT I HAD MADE IN THE FIRST PLACE. #2)"
If people like you are sick of me, then I take that as a very high compliment, because I consider people like you to be mentally sick. As I just pointed out, I addressed EVERY point you made in great detail...far more detail than anyone else on this board has ever responded to a post, by the way. In fact, if your complaint wasn't knowingly false, you could have continued with the actual subject matter instead of making personal attacks on me as you are doing now. Obviously your attempt here is to distract from the subject and attack me, rather than discuss the subject and delve into greater detail forcing me to back my arguments.
"SOON AFTER, THE NAME CALLING AND FALSE ACCUSATIONS START TO FLY."
Yep, and as we see here, you are doing EXACTLY that!
"#3) ONCE THIS PATTERN HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED, IT'S THEN POINTLESS TO REPLY TO CY ANYMORE BECAUSE THE RULES OF PROPER CONDUCT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BROKEN BY HIM AND WE'VE BECOME NOTHING MORE THAN HIS BAIT."
You are accusing me of doing everything that you are doing in this very post. Yours are not the actions and comments of a person who is intellectually honest, or even remotely intelligent.
"It comes as no surprise why Cy is disliked by SOOOO many people on the internet. ....... "Just say NO to trolls"."
Actually, I'm liked by far more people than you will ever be Gar, because I say what I think, because I'm logical, because I have rational and consistent points, and because I have a basic respect for civil conversation. There are far more people who agree with me than who do not, but even those who disagree with me but are rational have respect for me. If I'm disliked by some such as yourself, then that's an indication that I'm a person who speaks truth and explain how I arrive at my conclusions. Those are good qualities which I see no need to change. Some people who base their entire world view on baseless conclusions and false arguments and delusions are going to dislike me for being so direct with truth. I understand that. It means I'm on the right path because I do not bend like a reed to the idiocy of others. I remain true to what I believe. It's an honor to irritate those such as yourself who don't. :~)
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